Where Men Win Glory: The Odyssey of Pat Tillman
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This edition has been updated to reflect new developments and includes new material obtained through the Freedom of Information Act。
Pat Tillman walked away from a multimillion-dollar NFL contract to join the Army and became an icon of post-9/11 patriotism。 When he was killed in Afghanistan two years later， a legend was born。 But the real Pat Tillman was much more remarkable， and considerably more complicated than the public knew。。。
A stunning account of a remarkable young man's heroic life and death， from the bestselling author of Into the Wild， Into Thin Air， and Under the Banner of Heaven。
Pat Tillman walked away from a multimillion-dollar NFL contract to join the Army and became an icon of post-9/11 patriotism。 When he was killed in Afghanistan two years later， a legend was born。 But the real Pat Tillman was much more remarkable， and considerably more complicated than the public knew。。。
A stunning account of a remarkable young man's heroic life and death， from the bestselling author of Into the Wild， Into Thin Air， and Under the Banner of Heaven。
Reviews
Tatrd
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Only made it to chapter 3。 WAY too much Afgan history and foreign names to keep straight via an audio book。
Emmi
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I didn't expect to find this book quite as gripping as I did。 It was exceptionally eye-opening and it will stay in my brain for a while。 I didn't expect to find this book quite as gripping as I did。 It was exceptionally eye-opening and it will stay in my brain for a while。 。。。more
Chris Loveless
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An incredible well written and well researched book。 Pat Tillman lived life by challenging himself in seeking new challenges ， some that involved physical challenges completing a marathon and a triathlon during the football off season！ His family had a number of people who served in the military。 Not many people would turn down 5 million dollars guaranteed to join the military。 He’s the only one I know of。 It’s a complete awful shame of how the bush administration and high ranking military peopl An incredible well written and well researched book。 Pat Tillman lived life by challenging himself in seeking new challenges ， some that involved physical challenges completing a marathon and a triathlon during the football off season！ His family had a number of people who served in the military。 Not many people would turn down 5 million dollars guaranteed to join the military。 He’s the only one I know of。 It’s a complete awful shame of how the bush administration and high ranking military people covered up the Tillman fratacide and painted it as killed by the enemy。 Very similar to the Jessica lynch cover up。 In politics your always looking at ratings and ways to paint yourself in a positive light even if it may not be true。 The suffering by his family and friends does not stop。 Great to hear about all the great fund raising and the 40 or so students annually who benefit from the Tillman foundation。 。。。more
Amanda Peters
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Nephew Colin，This book was really hard to read。 At times I had to put it down and walk away because it made me so angry。 Also pretty apropos with us now pulling out of Afghanistan。 Aunt Amanda
Susan
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I really enjoyed this book， even though the behavior of our military leaders and government officials all the way to the president is deplorable and embarrassing。 The statistics mentioned at the end of the book of the high percentage of fratricide during the last several wars is devastating。 I had no idea the numbers were so high。 The last few years I have read so much history on America that I am now feeling so ashamed of our country， and humanity in general。 Ugh。
Michael Grizer （He-Him）
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Absolutely heartbreaking story of a thousand terrible decisions that ended Pat Tillman's life， from W's non-existent strategy for a nonsensical invasion to a single Soldier's decision to pull the trigger on his SAW and shoot at a figure he didn't identify。 Timely read now as 40 years of terrible decisions in Afghanistan continue unabated。 Absolutely heartbreaking story of a thousand terrible decisions that ended Pat Tillman's life， from W's non-existent strategy for a nonsensical invasion to a single Soldier's decision to pull the trigger on his SAW and shoot at a figure he didn't identify。 Timely read now as 40 years of terrible decisions in Afghanistan continue unabated。 。。。more
Marc Mason
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Started this book purely by chance right as the US decided to pull out of Afghanistan。 The book is an easy read and Krakauer tells a good story but I don’t know that I can recommend it。 One of the blurbs on the back of book， from a review in Outside Magazine， provides in what I think is meant to be praise a fatal criticism: “He’s [Tillman] Into the Wild’s Chris McCandless gone to War。” There’s too much Krakauer in this book。 Whoever wrote that review implicitly understood that but probably faile Started this book purely by chance right as the US decided to pull out of Afghanistan。 The book is an easy read and Krakauer tells a good story but I don’t know that I can recommend it。 One of the blurbs on the back of book， from a review in Outside Magazine， provides in what I think is meant to be praise a fatal criticism: “He’s [Tillman] Into the Wild’s Chris McCandless gone to War。” There’s too much Krakauer in this book。 Whoever wrote that review implicitly understood that but probably failed to see what a problem that is。 。。。more
Alessandro Lunelli
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krakauer poteva risparmiarsi tutte le pagine di "storia del terrorismo" e concentrarsi sulla storia di tillman， nel bene e nel male un eroe da tragedia greca krakauer poteva risparmiarsi tutte le pagine di "storia del terrorismo" e concentrarsi sulla storia di tillman， nel bene e nel male un eroe da tragedia greca 。。。more
Dan Huet
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reason #5378593 every member of the Bush administration should be in the Hague
Travis
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Jon Krakauer is able to put the history of Afghanistan in an easy to understand format。 As I was passing from elementary to middle to high school， a lot of events were taking place in Iraq and Afghanistan that I would ultimately end up feeling the repercussions of in my own life。 Jon's perspective on these events has left a lasting impression on me。 Jon Krakauer is able to put the history of Afghanistan in an easy to understand format。 As I was passing from elementary to middle to high school， a lot of events were taking place in Iraq and Afghanistan that I would ultimately end up feeling the repercussions of in my own life。 Jon's perspective on these events has left a lasting impression on me。 。。。more
Annie
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Really well done， terrifying
Holly
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I enjoyed every page of this book！ Although hard to read at times， it opened my eyes to exceptional individuals who have incredible integrity！
Jenn West
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Krakauer is so great。
Katie Hamilton
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DNF。 Honestly it was a good idea and and interesting topic but I did it as an audiobook and 57% of the wat through I gave up。 The narrator was HORRIBLE。 like straight awful。 Couldn’t listen to him drone anymore
Donn Urban
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Really well written， in my opinion。 The man has done his homework （this book had to require an incredible amount of persistent research）。Ostensibly the story of Pat Tillman， how he grew up， his rise to fame （although he really wasn’t famous until he joined the military）， and his death。 But intertwined in his whole story is the story of his family （especially his brother， who followed him into the army） and his wife。 But perhaps the story was equally about the army and its role in Iraq and Afghan Really well written， in my opinion。 The man has done his homework （this book had to require an incredible amount of persistent research）。Ostensibly the story of Pat Tillman， how he grew up， his rise to fame （although he really wasn’t famous until he joined the military）， and his death。 But intertwined in his whole story is the story of his family （especially his brother， who followed him into the army） and his wife。 But perhaps the story was equally about the army and its role in Iraq and Afghanistan。 And the credibility of the military all the way to the top。At any rate， Tillman is a complicated man， who was an athlete from his youth。 His setbacks only make him try harder。 Being cut from the baseball team for instance， only make him try harder for football。 He lost his temper and brutally beat a man in high school， requiring hospitalization。 This could definitely have been a huge deal for him， but the judge， seeing he had a football scholarship， reduced it to a misdemeanor， when the circumstances certainly made it a felony （which would have eliminated his scholarship for sure）。 Who knows where his life would have gone from there。 Tillman said his month in jail really made him think about where he was going。 At any rate， he did get the scholarship to Arizona State University， got his degree， and made the Cardinals， where he had a well-regarded， though not spectacular career。 He marries Marie somewhere in here， and it is apparently a very good fit。 At any rate， somewhere in here 9/11 comes into play， and Pat eventually reaches the conclusion that he needs to join the military， and not as an officer （which he surely could have） but as a grunt。 His brother Kevin （the whole family is very close， but he and Kevin are especially close） joins with him。 Pat really wrestles with this decision， as he knows how much it will affect Marie， who he really loves， but he feels strongly that it is his duty and Marie， knowing he has to do this， does not hold him back。 At any rate he and Kevin eventually land in Iraq， where they see little action， but they see more and more that the USA should not be in Iraq。 I think it is after this they become Rangers and end up in Afghanistan。 Long story short（er）， they are out on routine patrol （which Rangers should not be）， and the patrol is split in two （they were in dangerous territory， and this was strenuously objected to by the guy in charge， but nevertheless they follow orders in the army）。 So Pat is killed by friendly fire。 A total fubar from start to finish。 They shouldn’t have been there in the first place， the men who killed Pat （and one other， and seriously wounded two others） were totally out of control…just unbelievable。 And then， the army （and everyone all the way back to the White House） do everything they possibly can to cover up that it was friendly fire。 Only very reluctantly （three investigations， mainly due to the persistence of Pat’s mother） admitting that it was， and then lightly punishing those really responsible， but including the squad leader， whose fault it definitely was not。 Wow。 。。。more
pallavi
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Jon Krakauer never fails you。 Another insightful book by Krakauer。 People who join the military to serve the nation are unique in themselves。 They only think about their nation while standing on the battlefield。 However， the reasons for all these wars and battles are geopolitical most of the time。 It is hard to imagine， a person living a happy married life goes to fight the battle in a faraway country， which he never visited before or related to anyway。 The country is strange to him， and he too Jon Krakauer never fails you。 Another insightful book by Krakauer。 People who join the military to serve the nation are unique in themselves。 They only think about their nation while standing on the battlefield。 However， the reasons for all these wars and battles are geopolitical most of the time。 It is hard to imagine， a person living a happy married life goes to fight the battle in a faraway country， which he never visited before or related to anyway。 The country is strange to him， and he too sometimes thinks that who are these people I am fighting with or what is worth of this fight？ Somebody takes the decisions for the country， and young people like Pat Tillman， an exceptional athlete， sacrifice their lives proudly。 A couple of instances in the book forces you to think that how much all we read or heard in the media is true？ This is my third book of Krakauer after Into thin air and Into the wild。 Both are excellent books。 This book is a good insight into the wars， politics， media coverage， and how the battles change the lives of simple people。 。。。more
Spencer Schultze
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5 stars for Pat Tillman - count me as among the inspired。
Sean Sullivan
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Pretty good。 Wild that Haqqani's son wrote an op ed in the times last year。 Pretty good。 Wild that Haqqani's son wrote an op ed in the times last year。 。。。more
Alexander
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If I could have a magic wand to get more books written by Jon Krakauer， I'd be the happiest person alive。 Krakauer's When Men Win Glory is another rockstar novel！ This story begins in being told in parallel paths of what is happening with the United State's involvement in the Middle East and Pat Tillman's life。 The paths get intertwined in a beautiful way that only Krakauer could do。 A must-read for any literary journalism enthusiast。 If I could have a magic wand to get more books written by Jon Krakauer， I'd be the happiest person alive。 Krakauer's When Men Win Glory is another rockstar novel！ This story begins in being told in parallel paths of what is happening with the United State's involvement in the Middle East and Pat Tillman's life。 The paths get intertwined in a beautiful way that only Krakauer could do。 A must-read for any literary journalism enthusiast。 。。。more
Riley Lewis
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The full story of Pat Tillman’s leaving the NFL to enlist as an Army ranger after 9/11 and his death by friendly fire。 Krakauer details the Army coverup of the key details in his death。 Like most journalists， Krakauer assumes the worst intent by the Bush administration， blurs the line between opinion and fact， and his open disdain for certain Bush policies bleeds through。 Overall if his intent was to shine light on how convoluted and hairy operating in the Middle East can be and how bureaucratic The full story of Pat Tillman’s leaving the NFL to enlist as an Army ranger after 9/11 and his death by friendly fire。 Krakauer details the Army coverup of the key details in his death。 Like most journalists， Krakauer assumes the worst intent by the Bush administration， blurs the line between opinion and fact， and his open disdain for certain Bush policies bleeds through。 Overall if his intent was to shine light on how convoluted and hairy operating in the Middle East can be and how bureaucratic the Army can be。 Overall grateful for good men like Pat Tillman and it is a tragedy the truth took so long to come out。 。。。more
Dan O'Neill
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Jon Krakauer tells a story so compelling it's hard to put down。 An amazing life deserved an amazing book， and this delivers。 Not knowing anything about Pat Tillman going in， I honestly expected something else from this book but I'm delighted that I read it anyway as its surely now one of my favorite biographies。 Jon Krakauer tells a story so compelling it's hard to put down。 An amazing life deserved an amazing book， and this delivers。 Not knowing anything about Pat Tillman going in， I honestly expected something else from this book but I'm delighted that I read it anyway as its surely now one of my favorite biographies。 。。。more
Alec Runyon
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This book is too politically motivated。 It took away from Pat’s story。
Jean Dupenloup
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With his usual investigative zeal and storytelling flair， Krakauer had delivered yet another great achievement of literary journalism。 The story of Pat Tillman， an NFL player who turned in his pads and helmet for a gun， eventually being gunned down by friendly fire in Afghanistan， is compelling and tragic。 But lurking below the surface is a much darker tale， one of endemic self-interest and deception within the bureaucracy governing our armed forces， and one that can be traced back all the way t With his usual investigative zeal and storytelling flair， Krakauer had delivered yet another great achievement of literary journalism。 The story of Pat Tillman， an NFL player who turned in his pads and helmet for a gun， eventually being gunned down by friendly fire in Afghanistan， is compelling and tragic。 But lurking below the surface is a much darker tale， one of endemic self-interest and deception within the bureaucracy governing our armed forces， and one that can be traced back all the way to the White House。 An eye-opening account that forced the reader to reconsider many preconceived notions regarding patriotism， war， and the definition of courage。 。。。more
David
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What a great and disturbing book。 This is the story of Pat Tillman， but also the story that brings us to the point of how can we trust our government， our armed forces， those we trust to defend us。 I believe that there are things that need to be taught in history classes and this is an instance where we need to step up and face this type of situation and maybe， hopefully， learn from it and possibly change some circumstances。
Austin Anthony
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I knew the gist of the Pat Tillman story and how the military and the political administration betrayed his family while using his death as a recruitment tool。 I also knew that america had directly created bin laden and the holy warriors in Afghanistan。 But I didn’t know the details of any of it and now I do。 So if you don’t know the details you should also read this book。 Pat was a great person I think
Ronald House
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Krakauer does an outstanding job describing Pat Tillman's complex character。 He also takes a careful an informative look at politics and the military。 I come away with a better understanding of their attempts to manipulate facts to cover horrible mistakes made。 Krakauer does an outstanding job describing Pat Tillman's complex character。 He also takes a careful an informative look at politics and the military。 I come away with a better understanding of their attempts to manipulate facts to cover horrible mistakes made。 。。。more
Nancy Defever
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Every time I ride my bike in the New Almaden area， I think of Pat Tillman。 When his mother wrote a book about his life and his tragic death （Boots on the ground by dusk） I read it and wept。 I didn’t know Pat personally or know anybody who did know him， but the short life he lived is the closest to any hero （in the true sense of the word） in my lifetime。 Jon Krakauer does a marvelous job of painting a picture of the complicated man Pat was: his passions， his incredible perseverance， his insatiabl Every time I ride my bike in the New Almaden area， I think of Pat Tillman。 When his mother wrote a book about his life and his tragic death （Boots on the ground by dusk） I read it and wept。 I didn’t know Pat personally or know anybody who did know him， but the short life he lived is the closest to any hero （in the true sense of the word） in my lifetime。 Jon Krakauer does a marvelous job of painting a picture of the complicated man Pat was: his passions， his incredible perseverance， his insatiable intellectual curiosity and his football career from high school to professional。 But where the book really showcases his top-notch research， is the last 1/3 of the book starting when Pat turns down a multimillion dollar contract with the Arizona Cardinals and decides to enlist with the army after 9/11。 Krakauer educates us with the US army day to day life， the mishaps and marketing of the “war on terror” and the culture of the United States military。 When we learn of Pat’s demise due to friendly fire， it is sickening how the chain of command tried hiding it。 Every protocol that is regularly used when a soldier falls was not used on Pat because of who he was。 When he joined the army， he was used as a promotional figure to support the war effort， but wasn’t given the full respect and consideration when he perished in that effort。 The only reason I didn’t give the book 5 stars is because of all the unnecessary details in the book。 I didn’t need to know about Pat getting sick in Paris or the fight he got into in high school， or even all the geographical landmarks in Afghanistan。 However， as usual， Krakauer does it again with his attention to getting it right and drawing the reader right into the book。 。。。more
Sharon
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What makes this story sad and infuriating is all of the lives lost。。。the unnecessary lying and deception。。。and all of the tragic secrets and events involving both wars。 I would like to have read more about the soldiers from his unit after his death and what happened with them after the fall out。
Diego Leal
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Sad book。 The military covering their rear。Pat Tillman is extraordinary。
Bill
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